# Confession Of Claes De Praet Who For The Testimony Of Jesus Christ, And His Word Was Imprisoned And Burnt At Ghent, And Laid Down His Life As A Burnt Offering Unto The Lord A. D. 1556. · Page 5 of 8

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At last he said: “Those were not my people; it
seems to me, that you have searched the Scriptures
well; where did you hold your church?” Claes.
“Where Christ and his apostles held it, behind
hedges, in the woods, in the field, on mountains, on
the sea-coast, sometimes in houses, or wherever
they found a place.” Luke 6:17; Matt. 5:2; Acts
1:13. Dean. “Christ preached openly (Jn. 18:20);
but you people cannot be found, where you are, or
who you are.” Claes. “It is certainly a great cross
for you, that you cannot find them, nor know them,
and that you people are known so well. I hope that
God will not permit you to find them; but though
you sometimes cut into the branches, I trust that
you will not cut off the vine. Christ Jesus, the living
Son of God, will keep and feed his branches, so that
they may bring forth fruit, although you now do
your very best to tear and destroy them.”

We spoke much more yet of the church, and of
his people, whom he exalted greatly. I asked him
many questions in regard to whether infants that
died without baptism were damned. He said: “Yes.”
I asked him whether the apostles had read mass and
persecuted. And he replied “Yes” to everything,
so that it seemed to me that the more I asked him,
the more he lied; and I reproved him for the lies in
which I found him. He said: “They are not lies,
but it is the truth; but you don’t believe what is
told you; you remain hardened and unbelieving.”
And according to his words, it seemed that the life
of the apostles was not a whit different from that of
the priests. He said: “As regards your life, your
walk or conversation is good towards all men, and
you do unto your neighbor as you would have men
do unto you, and live in peace, love and unity with
one another, which is very good; and you assist
each other in need and distress, and lay down your
lives for one another, which is also very good, I can
say nothing against it; and you expel from your
church them that live disorderly, as you expelled
Jelis of Aix-la-Chapelle, who led such a life, as I
well know; against this I have nothing to say, it is
all well done: but of what use is it to your people
to have the life, if you have not the faith? it is not
able to save you.” I replied: “We have also the
faith; but you don’t understand it, or will not understand
it; but it will yet be revealed to you, in
the last day of the Lord, whom you have served.”
And I assailed him very severely.

He rang the bell for the jailer to let him out. The
latter came into the room, and the Dean rose to go.
I thanked him much that he had come here for my
sake. He turned around and said: “I should like
to see you suffer yourself to be brought on the right
way; but you persist obstinately in your unbelief;
you are like your master.” I asked: “Who is my
master?” He replied: “The devil.” I assailed him
with many Scriptures, in order that he should come
no more, and he went away ashamed, because the
jailer was present, and other prisoners, who came
running to the door. I had asked him for information
concerning Jelis, and he could tell me everything,
which greatly astonished me.



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