# Defense Against The Opponents By Thomas Van ImbrœCk. · Page 2 of 4 [Previous page: DEFENSE AGAINST THE OPPONENTS BY THOMAS VAN IMBRŒCK.](/en/stories/mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck/) · [Book contents](/en/sources/martyrs-mirror/#book-contents) · [Next page: DEFENSE AGAINST THE OPPONENTS BY THOMAS VAN IMBRŒCK.](/en/stories/mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck/part-3/) Mark, he says, when he is old;[211](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-14/#Footnote_211) from which we well perceive, that the Lord did not speak of children. And thereupon Christ says: “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” That this is not spoken of children, the following words prove, namely: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.[212](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-14/#Footnote_212) By these words Christ indicates that the regenerated man becomes spiritual, and is born of the Spirit, and of a spiritual nature; as Peter says: “We are become partakers of the divine nature, if we flee the corruptible lusts of this world.” By this every one may know whether he is born of the Spirit, namely, if he has the nature of the Spirit, even as one that is born of the flesh, has the nature of the flesh, each in his order. Birds have their peculiar nature; so also wild animals; likewise man; each is minded like him of whom he is born.[213](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-14/#Footnote_213) Thus, he that is born of the Spirit, is also spiritually minded; hence Paul says: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” Finally Christ says to Nicodemus: If I have told you earthly things, and ye cannot comprehend or believe, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Here the Lord deems it greater to comprehend heavenly things, than earthly things; but children comprehend nothing of earthly things, how much less of heavenly. Hence Paul says: Be not children in understanding; howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding 359 be men. For, faith cannot be comprehended without understanding, even as Paul says to the Hebrews: Faith is a sure confidence of things hoped for, and conforms itself to things not seen; so that faith has such a power in itself, that it always conforms to heavenly things, and seeks those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. That children do not have such faith, experience and the holy Scriptures teach, though some say: God can easily give children this faith. So say I; and not only faith, but also understanding, by which faith is comprehended; yea, even language to confess it; but what sort of faith children have, they show by their life and fruits. But though God is almighty, and does according to his will, which none can resist, he nevertheless observes order in all his works, according to his pleasure. Hence, let every one see well to it, that he do not prescribe to God according to his own opinion; for he has made all things well. To him be eternal praise and honor. Amen. Since these are the most important passages[214](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-14/#Footnote_214) with which it is sought to prove infant baptism, I have, in my weakness and simplicity, answered them. But that you, my noble sirs, may not become weary of my long writing, I will conclude; nevertheless, if my noble sirs desire a fuller answer, I am willing and ready to answer, as much as lies in my power. May God give his grace to us all. Amen. Your humble servant, Thomas van Imbroeck. A. D. 1569.—Now when the papists sat in such darkness, that they immediately put to death those who, having been baptized in infancy, were, when arriving at riper years and understanding, baptized upon faith, a godfearing teacher of the church of Jesus Christ, named Jacob de Roore, did nevertheless not hesitate to make, with regard to this matter, a salutary and good confession, writing in his bonds and imprisonment at Bruges, in Flanders, the following words: “Furthermore, I confess a Christian baptism, according to the tenor of the word of God, as Christ commanded his apostles, saying: “Go, and teach all nations, baptizing them,” etc. Afterwards he relates how the apostles executed this command of Christ, saying: “Thus did the apostles, according to their Lord’s command,” etc. Continuing, he explains the words of Peter, Acts 2:39: “For the promise is unto you, and to your children,” etc.; from which the opponents were frequently wont to prove (in their manner) infant baptism, or at least, to give it some plausibility. Thereupon he says as follows: “By this the apostle shows that the gift of the Holy Ghost was to be given, not only to the Jews and their children, but also to the Gentiles, who were far from the kingdom of God, and whom God should also call, as the prophet Joel had foretold.[215](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-14/#Footnote_215) ## Original source [Read this passage on Project Gutenberg](https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/65855/pg65855-images.html#FNanchor_211) [Edition details](https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/65855) [Previous page: DEFENSE AGAINST THE OPPONENTS BY THOMAS VAN IMBRŒCK.](/en/stories/mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck/) · [Book contents](/en/sources/martyrs-mirror/#book-contents) · [Next page: DEFENSE AGAINST THE OPPONENTS BY THOMAS VAN IMBRŒCK.](/en/stories/mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck/part-3/) --- Page: https://history.truechristian.church/en/stories/mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck/part-2/ [Contribute a correction or addition](https://github.com/trueChristian/history.truechristian.church/issues/new?title=Correction%3A+Defense+Against+The+Opponents+By+Thomas+Van+Imbr%C5%93Ck.+%C2%B7+Page+2+of+4&body=%23%23+Page+or+topic%0ADefense+Against+The+Opponents+By+Thomas+Van+Imbr%C5%93Ck.+%C2%B7+Page+2+of+4%0A%0APage%3A+https%3A%2F%2Fhistory.truechristian.church%2Fen%2Fstories%2Fmm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck%2Fpart-2%2F%0A%0ARecord%3A+mm-defense-against-the-opponents-by-thomas-van-imbrck--b00027-o000000%0A%0ADate+currently+shown%3A+16th+century+%28source+section%29%0A%0A%23%23+Correction+or+addition%0A%0A%0A%0A%23%23+Sources+and+evidence%0APlease+include+book%2Fpage+references%2C+archive+links%2C+or+first-hand+documentation.%0A%0A%0A%0A%23%23+Image+credit+%28if+applicable%29%0ACreator%2C+source%2C+and+permission+or+public-domain+basis.%0A%0A%0A%0ASubmitted+for+review%3B+this+issue+does+not+publish+changes+automatically.)