# Disputation Between Jacob De Keersgieter And Mr. Friar Cornelis, A Franciscan Monk; In The Presence Of Mr. Jan Van Damme, Recorder, And Mr. Michiel Houwaert, Clerk Of The Criminal Court, On The 9th Of May, A. D. 1569.306 · Page 7 of 13

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Fr. Corn. And so they do; for in the point of
having the women in common they agree with the
Anabaptists. Ah, bah, don’t I know what the Calvinists
and Calvinistresses do when they blow out
the candles after they have held their accursed, devilish
supper. Bah, you want to teach me how to
preach, I suppose; see.

Jac. If this were true, it would certainly now be
known to all the world; for the Calvinists have had
public churches, in which they have preached, and
held the supper; and if they had undertaken to put
forth such things in them, in regard to having the
women in common, as you say, what strange
things would be noised abroad through every country.

Fr. Corn. O you accursed Anabaptist, and will
you now also begin to upbraid me with slandering the
accursed Calves-tails,[307](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-16/#Footnote_307) eh? Don’t I say that they
do this together, after they have held their devil’s
supper when the candles have been extinguished?
bah, what strange things can be said of a matter
which no one can see? But you Anabaptists, tell
us something about your supper; or don’t you have
any, I suppose, since you don’t know anything to
say about sacraments? Hence, speak, and let us
hear: What do you hold concerning the sacrament
of the altar?

Jac. I have never seen nor read this name in the
holy Scriptures; hence I can say nothing about it.

Fr. Corn. Fie, the devil and his mother are here
again already. How would you have it called the
supper, as the Beggars[308](/en/stories/mm-footnotes/part-16/#Footnote_308) call it, I suppose, eh?

Jac. I have read much in the holy Scriptures
concerning the breaking of bread in remembrance of
the broken body of Christ, Matt. 26; Mark 14;
Luke 22; Acts 2; 1 Cor. 11; but of the sacrament of
the altar I have never read.

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Fr. Corn. Bah, you certainly have the Scriptures
at your finger ends; and because you Anabaptists
will read nothing but simply the holy Scriptures,
therefore it is, that you never read of a sacrament of
the altar. For as I am informed by my lord, the
provincial of the Augustinians, you flatly refuse to
hear, by way of instruction, anything that the old
fathers, or teachers of the holy Catholic church,
write; as St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, St. Augustine,
St. Gregory, St. Chrysostom, St. Bernard, St. Anselm,
St. Bede, Doctor Sanctus, and many others,
yea, such as are more ancient yet, as: Irenaeus,
Cyprian, Basil, Cyril, and Tertullian. If you would
read these, you would find the sacrament of the altar
mentioned frequently by many different names,
sometimes the eucharist, now a holocaust, then a
sacrifice, oblation, etc. But you Anabaptists would
far rather delve and root in the accursed, damnable
books of your arch-heretic Menno Symons. And
therefore you do not know anything of the sacrament
of the altar—is this not a fine thing?

Jac. We are satisfied with the simple holy Scriptures;
for all that is necessary for us to know for
our salvation, we find abundantly contained in them,
and we need not to search the doctrines of men.

Fr. Corn. Tush, tush, speak and let us hear,
whether you also believe, that Christ is truly present
in the consecrated host with his natural flesh and
blood? Now, do you understand it better so?

Jac. Now I understand it much less yet, since
nothing is taught in the holy Scriptures of a consecrated
host; and therefore we also do not trouble
ourselves with such things, but use in our church
the memorials of the Lord’s body, as I told you.

Fr. Corn. Bah, what monsters are these memorials?
This begins to sound quite Zuinglian and
Calvinistic; and are you Anabaptists also Sacramentarians—I
suppose so. Bah, what is it about these
memorials? Let us hear once.

Jac. The memorials are bread and wine, which
we use in remembrance of the body and blood of
Christ, because Christ in his last supper commands
us, that we are to break and eat the bread in remembrance
of his body, which was broken on the
cross; and that we are to distribute the cup with
wine, and all drink out of it, in remembrance of his
blood, which was shed for many, for the remission
of sins.

Fr. Corn. Is it possible! you are fine fellows
with your memorials. My lords, what do you think
of this accursed, hellish devil’s crew? for they are
Anabaptists and Sacramentarians. Bah! Jesus, Jesus,
worthy mother of God, protect us; what abominableness
this is! My, my, my, oh, oh, oh, oh! My
lords, now you can well hear, what a Beelzebub
brood and hellish generation you have here in Flanders,
in the city of Bruges, and you sometimes ridicule
my sermons yet, when I preach against these
accursed heretics, and say: “That lousy little fool,
the crazy friar Cornelis is always engaged with the
heretics in his pulpit.” Hear now for yourselves,
whether I have not just reason for it. And now listen,
you Sacramentarian: Why then did not Christ
say, “Take and eat; this bread is a memorial of my
body, and this wine is a memorial of my blood?”
But he said expressly: “Take and eat; this is my
body.” Further: “Drink ye all out of this cup;
this is my blood.” Answer me once in regard to
this, * * *



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