# Divers Examinations Of Reytse Aysess Before The Commissary, Pastors, Priests, Bishops, And Others. · Page 1 of 5

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On the sixth day they brought me before the
commissary, and in going thither there met me an
old man, who bade me “good evening.” I returned
the compliment, however was frightened
when I saw him. But he said to me: “You have
a bad commissary”; and he conversed much more
with me, and instructed me how I should answer
the commissary; and so I went in.

The commissary bade me “Good day,” and I
wished him the same. He then asked me: “What
is your business here?” I replied: “I have been
brought here against my will.” He further asked
what I believed. Ans. “I believe in God Almighty;
and that there is but one Lord, one faith, and one
baptism, by which we can be saved.” He said that
he also believed that, but that I was seduced. I said:
“Is God then a seducer?” Commissary. “No;
but you have been seduced by Menno and other
seducers.” I said that I did not rely on men, but
on the word of the Lord. He said that I should
suffer myself to be instructed by the holy Catholic
Church, since God himself had ordained apostles,
doctors [teachers] and pastors. I said that I believed
nothing but the word of God and the New
Testament. He then asked me, whether I was baptized.
I said: “Yes, upon my faith, as Christ has
commanded.” He then made a long speech, that
Christ had received flesh and blood from Mary, and
that I must believe this; and many other words we
had together. He then asked me, when I had been
to confession and the sacrament the last time. I replied:
“Never in my life;” and many other remarks
we had together. Thus he admonished me, that I
should suffer myself to be instructed by the holy
Church, and then he went away. This occurred on
Friday.

After I had been in confinement six weeks and
a half, they took me to the Poorte, where was the
pastor of Nyehoof (who was pastor of Enchuysen)
with an advocate. These asked me on what I had
determined. I said that I would adhere to the
word of the Lord. They then produced a letter, in
which was written all that I had confessed. Thereupon
they asked me, whether I considered the
church of the Mennists a true church. I said: “You
call it so, but I regard it as the true church
of God.” This they wrote down. Then they asked
me, whether I was baptized upon my faith. I said:
“Yes.” They also asked me whether I had not
been baptized in my infancy. I said: “Yes; but
that was no baptism as Christ commanded, for Christ
taught to repent, amend, and then to be baptized
for the remission of sins. See, so I was baptized.”
Then they said that infants were born in original
sin; hence they had to be cleansed by baptism.
I replied: “Christ has redeemed us from the fall
and transgression of Adam; hence he says himself,
that to the children belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
They said: “Yes, those were circumcised children.”
Then they asked whether I had been in the church
of the Mennists. I replied that I had been in the
church of God. This they wrote down. Ques. “What
do you hold concerning the Roman church?”
Ans. “Nothing.” Ques. “What do you hold
touching the sacrament?” Ans. “I have never in
all my life read of a sacrament, but of the Lord’s
Supper; and this I indeed want to observe, as
Christ has commanded it; but of yours I think
nothing.” Ques. “Do you believe that God is almighty?”
I said: “Yes.” “And whether God therefore
should not come into the bread which they
break?” Ans. “This I never believed.” They also
asked whether I did not believe that Christ had
received flesh and blood from Mary. I briefly said
that I did not believe it. These are principally the
articles which they asked me, and they noted down
every thing. I then asked the priest: “If I should
fulfill your will, would you be willing to be responsible
for my soul?” He said: “Yes, for you and
the whole world.” I said that this was as the apostle
says: While they promise them liberty, they
themselves are the servants of corruption (2 Peter
2:19). He said that this was not spoken to them.
And after some more conversation which we had,
they told me to go, and we bade one another adieu
for this time.

After I had been in prison seven weeks, I was
again taken to the Poorte, into a large hall, where
were three priests, one of whom was the one of Nyehoof,
with whom I have often been; the other was
a Friesian. These asked me what I had determined
on. I replied that by the help of God I would adhere
to the word of the Lord. He said that it was
not the word of God, and that I was seduced; he
was sorry, because we were both Friesans; “for,”
said he, “when one has temporal matters on hand
that he does not understand, he seeks advice from
those that are wise and knowing in such matters,
and suffers himself to be instructed; hence it is
necessary that one also suffer himself to be instructed
by wise men of the holy Church, in matters from
which depends eternal salvation.” Ans. “Whoever
rightly instructs me with the word of the Lord, him
I will gladly hear; but by your instruction I should
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be seduced.” They said that I was already seduced;
but if I would suffer myself to be instructed by
the holy Church, they would pledge their souls for
me at the last day. I replied that they should have
enough to do with their own souls. But with them it
was a settled thing, that I was seduced. So we
finally came to infant baptism.



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