# Hans Van Overdam Put To Death At Ghent; Also His Confession, Written In Prison, And Afterwards Sealed With His Blood, In The Year 1550. · Page 6 of 7

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We were then led away again, as we would not
dispute further; for we had agreed upon this, when
we were together yet in the castle, out of the city,
lest they should take the simple unawares by disputations.
Hence they could not persuade any that they
had overcome them, all knowing that they were not
to dispute, except in the presence of the others, in
which case the disputation would tend to the consolation
and admonition of our brethren and sisters
who should hear it; for when we saw that they did
their best we would not let anything be wanting on
our part, seeing necessity demanded it. When they
perceived that this did not promise success, they
tried another scheme. They sent a councilor and
two friars, a grey and a black, into a room, before
whom a brother or sister, one at a time, were
brought, to dispute with them and to defend the
ground of their faith; but they declared that they
would not dispute alone in a room, but openly,
when we should be together before the lords. They
then said: “We adjure you by your faith and baptism,
that you dispute here.” The brother replied:
“I know my faith and baptism; but with your adjuration
I have nothing to do; hence let us come together;
for this is just what we wish, to dispute
openly with you, but not thus alone in a room.”
Another was then summoned, and thus it went until
all had been brought before them; but no one
would dispute in this manner. Thereupon I also had
to appear alone in a room, before a councilor and
two monks, who likewise began to adjure me. I
then said: “Why would you adjure me, to cast
roses before dogs, and pearls before swine, that you
may trample on them? No, this the Lord has forbidden
me to do. Matt. 7:6. Nay, I esteem the
words of God far too precious, than that I should
let the light shine in vain here, whereby no one
would be enlightened, but it would only be blasphemed
and mocked, as you do when the truth is
told you.”

Then they adjured me still much more; but I replied:
“Why do you adjure so much? I care
not for your adjuration; for it is the manner of sorcerers,
who adjure against the truth. 2 Chron. 33:6.
But I now see clearly, how the souls of our two
brethren and sisters were murdered and seduced
(Ezek. 13:19), it was through your sorcerous adjuration,
as they did not guard themselves against the
subtlety of the devil, and had not the gift to dispute.”

The guardian then said: “You boasted in your
letter, that you would dispute publicly; why do you
not dare do it now?”

Hans. “You monk, I still desire with all my
heart to defend my faith with the word of God, publicly
before all men (1 Pet. 3:15); but your cap
would shake quite differently, if you had to dispute
with me at the risk of the fire, and if the authorities
would not protect you.”

Councilor. “No, we have no desire to let you dispute
publicly; you are now in our hands.”

Hans. “I desired it, before I knew that I should
fall into your hands; but I see well now, that I have
fallen into the talons of the eagle (2 Esdra 11), and
whoever gets into them cannot escape without losing
soul or body.”

Councilor. “Who is the eagle, the Emperor?”

Hans. “No, it is the Roman Empire or power;
read the letter I wrote you; it will tell you.”

We then exchanged many more words, and the
monks became angry at me, and commenced to
utter puffed-up words. I then said that Paul had
prophesied correctly concerning them, that they
473
were blasphemers, proud, and puffed up. 2 Timothy
3:2.

Thereupon friar Jan de Croock became so enraged
that he began to cry: “Fools, fools, heretics, heretics
are you!”

Hans. “Behold, is this not a fine teacher? but
Paul says that a teacher must not be a brawler, nor
angry.” 1 Tim. 3:3; Tit. 1:7. The councilor felt
ashamed that the monk acted so disgracefully, and
commanded him to be silent.

At another subsequent time there came two secular
priests: Sir Willem of Nieuwenland, and the
parish priest of St. Michael. I asked them what they
desired. They replied: “We have come to seek
your soul,” This time I kept under cover as much
as I could, in hopes that we might dispute openly
before the lords, as they told me that they would
use their best endeavors in this direction. But when
I heard that it could not be, I thought, when they
came again with the clerk, we must accost each
other in quite a different way, from what we did
the last time. I then asked: “What do you wish?”



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